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Ronyn

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#14
I'm against it because...
Ok Here is what the feature is-
Person A chooses what they look like.
Person B chooses whether they see anything beyond basic gear.

That means a few important things-
Censorship is not the issue because no one else is deciding what you see.

Word Filters in games are very different. As they prevent a words actual use, not simply whether a person can choose, for themselves, to opt out of seeing it.

How much nudity makes this a good or bad feature is subjective, what may be viewed as too nude for one person, could be different for another. So who chooses what's too much and what is not? You?

And yes, some games do overtly sexy outfits without filters so you either play the game and see it, or you don't play at all. Great.

We plan to offer the filter so people can choose for themselves to play the game and see the sexy outfits or not, based on their personal choice.

To argue against this feature, you have to make the case why person A should get to make person B look at what they are wearing. That's it. That's the argument you have to provide.
 

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#11
When it comes to parenting, it is up to the parents to check the PEGI/ESRB rating, some parents don't care to check and some kids also don't care what their parents say. Whatever happens in other families is out of your and anyone else's control. Besides, this game is not rated, and Grummz has stated that he does not intend to aim for a specific age.
When it comes to parenting, it's up to the parent to use the rules provided. Whether that is avoiding purchasing the bike, or putting on the training wheels.
Each parent decides for themselves what methods to employ, just as each products manufacture decides what tools to offer.
This is not something you get to decide for everyone else.

NOTE: As for what Grummz has stated. I would like to remind you that the main reasons I mentioned what this feature is for were from him. Em-8er isnt aimed at a specific age so much as meant to be played by many ages. That's kinda the idea...

If you guys want to "filter" out the lewd stuff you can do so with a "Streamer Mode", which covers the lewd stuff so you guys don't get your streamers demonetized or banned from their platforms playing your game. But if I want to color my Feli skin different, mix-match some pieces in that skin, you should NOT allow others to disable what I created.
So you accept streamer mode as something will prevent certain people from seeing your creation?
Why is that different? They either see what you made or they don't.

You guys want to force us to thump and craft, the whole resource-cycle to get better gear and progress in the game... How is this forceful behavior OK but ones money spent wanting to be presented as paid for, is not??? That's a 100% double standard, and corrupt.
That's a false equivalent.
Every game, by it's very nature, forces you to take part in some activity.
If you don't want to drive anything, don't pick up a driving game. If you don't want to shoot at things, don't pick up a shooter.
The basic concept of a game is that it requires you to do something in order to play it.
Suggesting that means we can't then offer choices in other aspects without it being a double standard is ridiculous.

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How come World of Warcraft doesn't have a button to turn off graphics for everyone in Transmog gear? How come Path of Exile doesn't have such a button? APB never had it, Planetside doesn't have it, Perfect World never had it... How come every single game I can think of doesn't have this button?
This is indeed a unique feature. First time I've ever seen it.
We can't know for sure how well it go over.

Most probably because it's stupid and devalues peoples money spent...

Don't screw around with my money! If I want the world to see my character for what I've made it into, don't take that away from me.
I already covered this point. Just as it makes you feel your money is devalued, it will make some others feel their money is more valued. You're allowed to have your own preferences, but speaking for others will not get you anywhere.

Remember, you are free to not spend any money on skins in this game.

You should really stop with going beyond the scope of the point here...
You don't like it. We get it. That's cool. Most of the rest of this is not helping your case.
 

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#7
My views on things like this is the same as my view on censorship. And that being who chooses what is suppressed or prohibited and what are their reasons for doing so.
hmmmmmm
I don't understand if you're saying you are fine with the toggle thing or not fine with the toggle thing.
 
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#3
OK I'll entertain this for a few minutes.

Leonardo da Vinci's work, or the work of any great artist, exists in real life. Some people choose to go see it, some people choose to skip it. Some people will be in a room with it and not give it a second glance. Some folks will stare at it for hours. That is every person's personal choice.
If someone were to go and deface the Mona Lisa that would be one thing, but simply not looking at it is another.

In video games, unlike real life, we have a variety of short cuts, side steps, and redo's for everything from travel (fast travel ain't in real life) to death (still cant figure out to respawn!). Same concepts, just with a sort of easier/faster variant because its a friggin game.
Likewise, the version of "choosing not to look" at someone's work of art character has been made easier. Just toggle it off.

Do I personally think that everyone should take some time and go look at great works of art? Yes I do.
Is that something I want to FORCE people to do? No. Heck no.

Either way, it would be kind of extreme to suggest that anyone who doesn't want to look at the Mona Lisa is pissing on his hard work.
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Ok look. Opinions on any and every feature are allowed here and there will be no disparagement for it.
However, there are a variety of features that we are extremely attached to, and nothing less than an act of nature would push us to reconsider it.

Hey I can understand not wanting to pay for features that do not work they way you want them to. totally fine. But it is not wise to publicly suggest you would get involved in any sort of hacking to get client side visuals.

The basic truth of this toggle feature is this-
Some people will see what you set your character up to look like, some people will not. Because some folks will use some toggles, some will not.
If you are insisting that EVERYONE has to see what your character looks like or you won't spend a dime then let me be clear right now. DO NOT spend a dime.

Part 3.
Why? What is the purpose of allowing people to click a button just to piss on everyone who sunk their time into making their character?
Why?

Two main reasons.

Putting control in the hands of parents-
Em-8er features skins that lean into the 17+, or arguably higher rating. Yet the game itself is functionally playable by much younger players.
This button allows parents/guardians to set the visual level the game is at, while still letting the younger person play.

Personal choice-
Every gamer has their own personal style and we want to applaud that. We also know that every player has their preference on what they see when looking around the game world. Some folks are annoyed/distracted by scantily clad characters, some people are put off by seeing things that don't fit within the games lore, preferences vary. We aren't looking to tell people what to look at, so we are pushing for as much personal choice as we can give. In this game, we care more about what you want for yourself than what you want for others. That is the choice we have made.

Now a quick note about Value-
What adds value for one person, can be viewed as taking away value to another.
Different people want different things and there is no perfect solution that will please both perspectives.

This toggle feature is generally well received, even applauded by many. I am certain there are some folks who don't like it. that's cool.

Like it, don't like it, both are fine perspectives because there is absolutely no way to please everyone.
This isn't a debate, I've made it every clear what is what.
 

Ronyn

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#9
The point I was making was, that there are parts of the game still missing from the Demo, and many adjustments are still to be made. How can we give accurate feedback?
Yeah I understand where you're coming from.
Truthfully speaking, the amount of variables that will impact this kind of stuff is even more than most will realize. So when discussing "accurate feedback" it's pretty much a....well its not going to be very accurate at all. lol It's going to be opinions of things in an early state without a ton of the other factors to consider.

GOOD NEWS though! We know. It's how this whole early dev feedback stuff works.
Just let us know what you think of what you can get your hands on. If you have additional thoughts like "I prefer we use attachments" we like hearing that too. It still has a lot of value.
This is all part of the iterative process. It all works out in the end.