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[Ronyn]

The days not over, and I am still here.
Now on with the poem for holiday cheer.

For the masses still with us, still faithful to Em-8er.
Let's walk down a lane I'm sure you'll remember.

Think back to that game many loved years ago.
That ignited a fire, so very deep in our souls.

Think of your thumper that you'd call down on demand.
Or the bike that you'd hop on and zoom across land.

The Arana would skitter and swarm on the ground.
Terror Claws would ball up and roll all around.

The chosen would take towers, pushing us out of our homes.
For their strange fascination with collecting Jawbones.

Do you still dream of jetpacks and mighty plasma cannons?
Have you wished for more gliding through valleys and canyons?

Then perk up your ears and open your eyes.
For the fire, once fallen, has a spirit that thrives.

Don't lament what's lost, because the future is brighter.
We'll be back in the action as the loyal Gatestriders.

So join me in raising a toast to what's coming.
As we thank you, for what you do, to keep this place running.

You inspire us to create the world in our vision.
To keep working for this community, is our primary mission.

We are gamers, we are players, of the digital kind.
So I'll end this in a language that's both yours and mine.

My body is ready
I am excite...
Merry Christmas to all,
And to all... A DEEPSTRYKE!

 

[Ronyn]

and we're done.
Thank you all for participating.
There was at least a few moments where folks seemed to learn something from each other.

 

[Ronyn]

All of this has been said and re said.
I'm about to lock this thread for being circular and useless.

I'll give it a few hours to see if anything new is brought to the table, otherwise everyone will have to just let it be.

 

[Ronyn]

1. They do exist... But it's obvious that person A don't care about their projection to others.

Ok so there we have it. They do exist. That was my point all along.

But then you say they don't care about their projection on others, ok. Interesting.
Earlier in this thread, didn't you say something like "if people don't like the skins in the game they can just not play"?, and "if parents don't want their kids to play a game they should just not let them play"

So why is "if people don't like the toggle aspect they can just not play" any different?

2. Absolutely not. I'd say it's more or less an equal amount. Most people don't care, they just want to play.

Ok.

BUT to be fair, speaking from a purely mathematical/statistics context: we don't have any reliable metrics for gamers as a whole on an issue like this because it hasn't been brought up to them. Speculation is not data. We can only infer what it would be based on how other personal toggle features have done, and even that only takes us so far.

In reality, it's only the portion of the EM-8er fanbase who noticed, and then only the few who have spoken up about it so far. Out of that sample group who have spoken up, most are fine with it or even for it. Very few have made any statement against it. Again, speculation about what people might say if they did speak is not data. We can't do anything with that.

3. Yes. Such has been the way since the dawn of gaming, yet people have played these games anyway.
Isn't that strange?

Think about what you just said.
You could make that same blanket argument against any new feature, but by itself it holds no value.
Every feature (mechanic and genre) that is common now, was once brand new and never before seen.
For every new feature it's the same story.
The industry survived without it for a while, sometimes years, sometimes decades, and then it got created. Someone somewhere did it for the first time, then it was no longer new.

If you want to stop the creation of a new feature, of any kind, what you have to provide is a reason to think that enough people won't like it, that it would limit the games success. BUT by your own argument, you think it's half and half on either side, and that most people won't care much.

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Fear not. I have decided to quit Em8er for good once Grummz speaks up about this matter during next CC. I'll delete myself out of here because it is obvious that my values directly collides with Crixa's interests.
As I said earlier, I have lived without all the new MMOs for a decade and I can continue to do so. Thought Em8er was the one to bring me back, but it is clear to me now that it is not. So you guys go ahead and give players the power to mute people's skins as much as you want, keep covering up the characters with more enclosed frames. I wish this project good luck, and hopefully not another Zingo disturbing your piece.

Do what is best for your own happiness.

 

[Ronyn]

@punkbuzter#6186
I meant what now? You expect a what now? WOW! lol.
OK Hmmmmm.

Let's try it from simpler angle.
Here are some actual perspectives. paraphrased from things that real life people have expressed on over the years.

Person A says: I like the skin toggles. They make me feel like I can choose what I have to look at, therefore I feel more comfortable playing the game and paying for skins, because I can do my own thing. look how I want to, without having to see stuff I don't like/want or feel is appropriate for my household. This is a good idea I have never seen before. It brings value to my experience.

Person B says: I do not like the skin toggles. They make me feel uncomfortable paying for skins, because I do not like the idea that other people can decide to not see what I made. For me, it is important that other people cannot block out my personal expression. This is a bad new idea that is not needed. It takes value away from my experience.

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So then, punkbuster, I have a few questions for you. Please answer them directly and succinctly-
Is your argument that
1: Person A does not exist/is made up.
2: There are way more person B's than person A's out there, we just haven't heard from.
3: Person B is objectively "correct" and so person A's viewpoint is simply wrong and therefore irrelevant.