DOUBLE UPDATE! THMPR animations and Omniframe gameplay docs

Discussion in 'Ember Art & Design Updates' started by Grummz, Mar 24, 2017.

  1. Terricon4

    Terricon4 Well-Known Member Base Commander

    Screen shake is easy, just include a worldcamerashake actor on it and a trigger for that animation. Most likely they will.

    For terrain disfiguration, most likely they'd make a decal that shows the impact area cracked or scorched a little that would stick around for awhile, but unlikely physical deformation. On an MMO, physical terrain deformation is not an easy thing to tackle.
    If they really wanted to, they might have a set of local offset limits so terrain can only deform up to a certain limit of like a foot or two, and have it slowly larp back to it's original form over a minute. Still, might be odd with some pathing or create a bunch of extra expenses to process and update that all, so I doubt they'd bother.
  2. EvilKitten

    EvilKitten Gatestrider - Firstclaimer

    If you have played Skyrim, my thought was the way the dragons would plow into the ground when you brought them down, leaving a massive furrow in the terrain. They did it by adding temporary solid objects onto the ground which faded out after a bit. For Ember they could do something similiar where a "crater" object would be created around the initial landing point which could slowly sink below the terrain level over the space of a couple minutes.
  3. Nunaden

    Nunaden Well-Known Member

    welp, it could probably work with a model and then setting alpha on the terrain where it hit (can be made with an texture overriding decal that jsut lets you look through the ground), also remove the clip where the impact is and replace it with the clip provided by the model. (like opening a hole and then fixing it with the crater model xD)
  4. EvilKitten

    EvilKitten Gatestrider - Firstclaimer

    I would like to suggest a dual power setting.

    Nominal power would be the minimum baseline requirement to function, in other words it is the idle power draw when the part is not in active use. At no point can you build an omniframe with a nominal power requirement greater than the total power available.

    Full Power would be the power draw needed to recharge the system back to ready status, or to power a system during active use. Because not every component of an omniframe may be used at the same time, the actual power draw on the frame will vary. Unlike Nominal power, full power *can* go over the maximum power output of the omniframe, *but* with potentially painful consequences.

    Anytime the power requirement of all components shifts above the maximum output, your omniframe would operate at reduced efficiency in direct proportion to the missing power. For example, say your nominal power requirements is 8000 watts, and your reactor core is capable of outputting a maximum of 10,000 watts, but all at once you fire off all of your abilities while your shields are under fire and you are jump jetting away as fast as you can. Suddenly your power requirements jump to 15,000 watts. Your omniframe cannot supply 15,000 watts, only 10,000, which means that every item that is attempting to utilize full power will only recharge at 66% (10k/15k) efficiency. (Note that you could use any other method of determining penalty, this is merely the simplest)

    For energy weapons that feed off your suit that would mean 2/3rd fire rate, your jumpjets would only provide 2/3rds as much thrust, shields would regen 1/3rd slower, and abilities would recharge slower, or do less damage, or both! Naturally you may not want your shields to recharge slower, even if you do go over the maximum power requirements. Thankfully there is a choice you can make to fix that. One option that each component has is to operate in protected mode. In protected mode the components nominal power is set to the maximum full power rate, which means it will never experience slowdown but will be taking up reserve power that might be used elsewhere.

    It might seem like the best idea would be to set everything possible to protected mode. However, as you get closer and closer to the cap it becomes more likely that any one or two actions will trigger the power penalty. In the above example, firing off any ability, or using your jumpjets will not incur a penalty because you have 2,000 watts of reserve power to play with. However if you protected your jumpjets and shields, suddenly your nominal power might jump to say 9500 watts, and you only have 500 reserve power. Where before you might have gotten away with using 2 abilities while on the ground without a penalty, now using even one could cause a slowdown.

    There is a second reason you may not want to use protected mode on everything, and that is because it would still be possible to include the power allotment function to supply the reserve power available in your suit to overcharging your modules. The more reserve power you have on hand the more of a boost you will receive.

    This system would require each player to decide exactly how much risk they want to incur. You can create a build who's max power usage never goes above the reactor output and as such will never have any penalties, or you can go the opposite route and make a high risk build where your components have large max power requirements and do much greater damage, but because of penalties potentially leave you extremely vulnerable. Again, it would all come down to player choice and play style.
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  5. MattHunX

    MattHunX Deepscanner


    Will the length of time one will be on zero power to all other other systems depend on how long they've been skimming?

    It would be unreasonable if we had to wait for the same set amount of time for everything to be ready, whether we went only a relatively short distance or a long way.

    Will we or should we have the means to reduce the spin-up time on abilities and such through mods installed within the frame, perhaps to the reactor?

    The shorter the distance skimmed, the faster ability-availability should be. With a minimum amount of time set, so it couldn't be made faster, even with mods.

    The longer we skim, the longer it should take for system to be ready, then, with a maximum value set, so we wouldn't have to wait for an eternity if we come out of skimming, after a tour around the map.
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2017
  6. MatthiasM

    MatthiasM Deepscanner

    while the thmpr looks a little clumsy, i really like the omniframe mechanics and customization options a lot !!
  7. Torgue_Joey

    Torgue_Joey Emberite -Death Reaper KAIJU 'SPLODER

  8. DropnLock

    DropnLock Member

    Now THAT is a BADA** Omniframe!!!!! I gotz to haz one
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  9. Grummz

    Grummz Administrator Ember Dev

    Typos fixed. TY. Resource tracker will indeed happen. Barrel roll, maybe...I envision some movement upgrade crafting. Shortcuts, yep, we'll play with different effects based on power allocation.

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  10. zdoofop

    zdoofop Terraformer

    so here's a question...if Skim mode is meant to replace bikes, does that eliminate the need for vehicles in-game? 'cause I'd still love to see either cavalry like the warthog or the scorpion tank from Halo or a group rallying vehicle like the sunderer from Planetside 2
  11. Torgue_Joey

    Torgue_Joey Emberite -Death Reaper KAIJU 'SPLODER

    There won't be other vehicles at first (because budget) but i do hope Grummz will add them when the budget allows. It's a "planetary war" after all. I expect war machines like tanks to raging hover apache.
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  12. Ronyn

    Ronyn Deepstryker Community Manager

    In Em-8ER, any vehicles added in would serve a more varied and tactical purpose than just transportation.
    So skim mode does not automatically mean there won't be other vehicles.
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  13. Rocketeer593

    Rocketeer593 Active Member

    I just remembered and realized that the T.H.M.P.R. looks sort of like some other hulking creature that has a drill equipped in video games and should have some appropriate easter egg that may or may not try to kill you. Possibly by exploding. I have the BL2 DLC: Pirate's Booty to thank for the memory jog.

    Under the sea

  14. zdoofop

    zdoofop Terraformer

    just include a picture
  15. Rocketeer593

    Rocketeer593 Active Member

    Seriously? Can you not tell that I want people to actually guess or figure it out on their own? Cause I don't plan on spelling it out as the game isn't that old (less than a dozen years).
  16. zdoofop

    zdoofop Terraformer

    no, that was obvious, I just think it's a bad idea.
  17. Ronyn

    Ronyn Deepstryker Community Manager

    @Rocketeer593 @zdoofop This is about the Big daddy's from the Bioshock series right?
    I would say there is a vague resemblance, hulky with a drill arm.
  18. zdoofop

    zdoofop Terraformer

    I stand corrected. Perhaps it was a good idea after all.
  19. EvilKitten

    EvilKitten Gatestrider - Firstclaimer

    Leviathan from Unreal Tournament...

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  20. Dracomon

    Dracomon Player One Base Commander

    I just want a ridable turtle. I don't care if I reach the battle an hour late. It's just always been a dream of mine to ride a turtle into battle.
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