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Die hard firefall fan here.
Just my opinion for long term.
Just my opinion for long term.
- The Hands on the suit make no sense. 5 fingers? that's not very efficient for a machine. They don't need 5 fingers. Solid rounded plate for grip, perhaps some sort of "rubber" but at least swap the fingers for something better.
- The feet appear very unstable. Flat , round or square plates to provide stability when stepping & landing to provide the allure of a "thump" when walking or landing.
While I don't see the feet clumping and thumping on the ground, I can see us using the grippy feet calipers to hang upside down from tree limbs or roost inside in the rafters of hangers like futuristic giant mech bats.
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As for the mech, my biggest concern is that spine, I feel like it could be a bit too skinny. Almost looks more like the torso just hovers and that's a tether than a support.
Maybe for the scout one, but for the medium frame with the big engines and arms and other bulk I think it could use an upgrade.
Oh, also curious how the legs will look when posed into a standing one leg before the other or such type of pose. Wonder how far out they can reach while maintaing some flex and freedom of rotation for adding character to the frames movements/actions.
Maybe for the scout one, but for the medium frame with the big engines and arms and other bulk I think it could use an upgrade.
Oh, also curious how the legs will look when posed into a standing one leg before the other or such type of pose. Wonder how far out they can reach while maintaing some flex and freedom of rotation for adding character to the frames movements/actions.
I like the new Tsi-Hu design, the old one looked more like master and puppet rather than the same being before and after transformation. I understand the concerns of some in here that the new form looks less intelligent, but we have to remember that looks can be deceiving, aliens don't need to look humanoid to be intelligent.
In my opinion the new design still has that mysterious vibe, expressed by their head and plain black face with glowing eyes, and they look like they could still pose a threat to omniframes in their lesser form compared to the old one.
Also, nobody said that the old design can't still be used for a different alien race in the future, so who knows, maybe we will see them again.
In my opinion the new design still has that mysterious vibe, expressed by their head and plain black face with glowing eyes, and they look like they could still pose a threat to omniframes in their lesser form compared to the old one.
Also, nobody said that the old design can't still be used for a different alien race in the future, so who knows, maybe we will see them again.
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Fingers do make sense, considering different shapes of objects to grab.
What does not make sense however, is the way the fingers are positioned.
While the human hand shape can be explained by evolution, the shape of a mechanical "hand" should be designed differently.
A human hand grabs something with 4 fingers supporting one side and 1 finger (thumb) supporting the other.
A mechanical hand should have a 2+1 or 3+2 setup, with the fingers of one side fitting between those of the other side, when closing a fist.
Especially, when the wrist can be rotated 360°.
In short: fingers do make sense on a robot, but a human hand like robot hand with 4 normal fingers and a thumb does not.
True. First thing i noticed when i saw them as well.
They do seem a bit like high heels, which means: bad balance, small surface and bad force distribution.
Considering high weight, fast movements and heavy weapons (recoil), bigger, flatter feet would seem to be more useful.
Wearing a mech suit allows enhanced strength and speed, but should also give the operator some protection.
In this case, the operator can simply be incapacitated by taking a hit and if the frame's spine is broken, the operator gets crushed by the weight of his own suit.
What does not make sense however, is the way the fingers are positioned.
While the human hand shape can be explained by evolution, the shape of a mechanical "hand" should be designed differently.
A human hand grabs something with 4 fingers supporting one side and 1 finger (thumb) supporting the other.
A mechanical hand should have a 2+1 or 3+2 setup, with the fingers of one side fitting between those of the other side, when closing a fist.
Especially, when the wrist can be rotated 360°.
In short: fingers do make sense on a robot, but a human hand like robot hand with 4 normal fingers and a thumb does not.
True. First thing i noticed when i saw them as well.
They do seem a bit like high heels, which means: bad balance, small surface and bad force distribution.
Considering high weight, fast movements and heavy weapons (recoil), bigger, flatter feet would seem to be more useful.
Wearing a mech suit allows enhanced strength and speed, but should also give the operator some protection.
In this case, the operator can simply be incapacitated by taking a hit and if the frame's spine is broken, the operator gets crushed by the weight of his own suit.
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BTW: A Humanoid shape doesn't make intelligence but the intelligence makes the humanoid shape. And the new Tsi-Hu are still humanoid as possible, they walk in an upright manner, have two legs, have heads that sit upright on a neck and they have an odd number of fingers + thumbs. Intelligent beings only have this form because it benefits the use of tools.
BTW: A Humanoid shape doesn't make intelligence but the intelligence makes the humanoid shape. And the new Tsi-Hu are still humanoid as possible, they walk in an upright manner, have two legs, have heads that sit upright on a neck and they have an odd number of fingers + thumbs. Intelligent beings only have this form because it benefits the use of tools.
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I agree. On the concept art, the Tsu-Hu looked like a savage, menacing yet intelligent species bent on killing everything that moves. The new ones look reminds me of the Felucians from Star Wars: The Force Unleahsed: a primitive species, relying on brute force rather than thinking and planning (Pre-Shaak-ti arrival).
Also, we have to look at the "Wow!" factor here. If a new player encounters a (seemingly) primitive looking enemy that can turn into a huge yet mindless beast like in the concept art, she/he will think that "okay, this goes hand in hand... from small body and limited intelligence to big body and no intelligence. A simple power-up".
However, with the original concept, seeing an intelligent, collected and humanlike enemy sacrifice their minds for brute force gives a bigger impact. Its a more "over-the-top" feeling.
If we could make them look more intelligent from the outside (since they WILL be intelligent anyway), I think most of the concerns will be solved.
But of course, most of what I mentioned depends on someones own perception of the Tsu-Hu and the performance of the AI.
Also, we have to look at the "Wow!" factor here. If a new player encounters a (seemingly) primitive looking enemy that can turn into a huge yet mindless beast like in the concept art, she/he will think that "okay, this goes hand in hand... from small body and limited intelligence to big body and no intelligence. A simple power-up".
However, with the original concept, seeing an intelligent, collected and humanlike enemy sacrifice their minds for brute force gives a bigger impact. Its a more "over-the-top" feeling.
If we could make them look more intelligent from the outside (since they WILL be intelligent anyway), I think most of the concerns will be solved.
But of course, most of what I mentioned depends on someones own perception of the Tsu-Hu and the performance of the AI.
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Tsi-Hu:
The new version gives off a more savage esque feel and its build has enough features to infer that it does have intelligence but I can't tell if its armor is part of its own body or something it puts on (this needs to be made clearer).
The whole body looks like its been through augmentation and turned into an armored cyborg, especially the feet.
As for the mouth in the chain coil thingy... what the devil?!
Omniframe:
The spine doesn't look like it can handle the weight of the frame and the feet looks like it needs to be a bit bigger and wider
The new version gives off a more savage esque feel and its build has enough features to infer that it does have intelligence but I can't tell if its armor is part of its own body or something it puts on (this needs to be made clearer).
The whole body looks like its been through augmentation and turned into an armored cyborg, especially the feet.
As for the mouth in the chain coil thingy... what the devil?!
Omniframe:
The spine doesn't look like it can handle the weight of the frame and the feet looks like it needs to be a bit bigger and wider
Same here...
The small waist and centerline look a bit too thin. I like the design overall, but with the bulky chainwheel on the back the lower torso and especially the lower legs should be a bit more... substantial.
I really like that the silhouettes are rather destinct for the player (Mech) and the enemys and that should definitly stay that way.
Still... parts of the new Tsi-Hu look too flimsy.
On the note of clothing:
I think armor platings could be used instead of cloth to polish out the individuality.
from the artwork it seems the left arm has a "manmade" structure whereas the right one looks more natural.
The small waist and centerline look a bit too thin. I like the design overall, but with the bulky chainwheel on the back the lower torso and especially the lower legs should be a bit more... substantial.
I really like that the silhouettes are rather destinct for the player (Mech) and the enemys and that should definitly stay that way.
Still... parts of the new Tsi-Hu look too flimsy.
On the note of clothing:
I think armor platings could be used instead of cloth to polish out the individuality.
from the artwork it seems the left arm has a "manmade" structure whereas the right one looks more natural.
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