I take issue with the female skins

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That would depend on the individual's goal, their current state, and what their ideal body could be e.g.
Yes, I know that. When I say "ideal male body" and "ideal female body", I meant that in the way of how mainstream media, society and culture generally depicts them. I guess I should have made that clearer.

The "ideal male body" now is always the same as it has been for decades. Basically, it's the "three 6's" - 6ft tall or over; 6-pac; and a 6-figure annual salary. (you can disregard the last one as we are talking about bodies of course). Basically a more muscular and refined version of Michaelangelo's David statue, or an "Adonis" as "buff guys" are usually referred to. Or maybe even He-Man or Conan The Barbarian. This remains the ideal body type for men to this day.

The "ideal female body" used to be pretty much the "Baywatch type" females, such as Pamela Anderson when she was in it. But then as the Fem cancer gradually took over, now the ideal female body is anything BUT that, and instead being overweight/fat (not to mention being unattractive or even ugly) is promoted and glorified because you know, "muh Body Positivity" and "muh Diversity", and trying to fear-monger convince men to drop any standards they have to date them (otherwise they are chauvinists, shallow, misogynistic, etc). While they have the right of free speech to promote this rubbish, what is insufferable is that once again, it is only something that only exclusively applies to women.

More double standards are added due to the fact that women are encouraged by the Fems to always raise and keep their standards high and go for the "best" (the three 6's) when it comes to dating men. This attitude is seen as "you go girl!", "empowahing" and "she knows what she wants". If men did the same regarding dating women ("the three B's" - Beautiful, big Boobs, nice Booty), then it's suddenly seen as "shallow", "chavanistic" and "misogynistic".

Therefore based on the above, I retain my stance that it is much harder for a man to achieve the "ideal male body" than it does for a woman to achieve the "ideal female body".
 
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liandri

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Regarding tanning and the art we're being shown...from my understanding what we're getting is the outfits...not the models. We'll be creating our own avatar using an in-game character creator and then picking the outfit they wear from the wardrobe for that account.
Big if true. You know I'm sticking my muscly man meat ass into that bunny suit. Skin tight and ridin' high.

... Just uh, don't tell Torgue. Heh.
 
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You know I'm sticking my muscly man meat ass into that bunny suit. Skin tight and ridin' high.
I gather that you're also referring to the recent 3D render of the bunny suit female character that Mark posted. Indeed, that costume is quite beautiful and exquisite, yet so simple. Also, dare I mention that it's rather "sexy" as well, or as the more slang term suggests - "hot". It's certainly one of my favorite costumes on women, a costume that's definitely considered one of the trademark "waifu" costumes so to speak.


Not only that, but in the 3D Render, there's some rather nice toe cleavage going on as well for those of a more/additional "unique" taste. Not sure if this is intended or just simply the way the render of her feet and shoes are made - but regardless, I'm not complaining. Heh. costume00.jpg
 

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im a bit late to htis party, but SOOO many people get all up tight about so many things. THIS is a game concept... if it is that big of an issue there are a couple of options i can see. have designed in a filter (like the offensive language filters in nearly every game)
if there was something like that you see a standard player that is non-offensive.

other option ... well we wont go there
 
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Personally, some of the more fantastical skins are a bit much even for me. Not fussed about the politics. I just like consistent, somewhat believable art direction.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with things that are overtly sexualized, but I prefer if it remains at least somewhat grounded in the lore.

Form-fitting geesuits? A-okay.
Exposed skin? Sure.
Sexy characters? Sign me up.
Bunny suits? Meh.

To that end, I'm glad they plan to have a visibility toggle for the silly stuff.
 
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I'm catching up on forum posts and I found this one. I just have a question about the filter. Is it a filter that turns off certain skins or is it a filter that shows an alt version of certain skins? Some of the art work is amazing! and I'd hate to just turn them off when maybe there could be a Geesuit version of, say, the Feli Gatestrider skin. Just my 2 cent opinion. ;)
 

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I'm catching up on forum posts and I found this one. I just have a question about the filter. Is it a filter that turns off certain skins or is it a filter that shows an alt version of certain skins? Some of the art work is amazing! and I'd hate to just turn them off when maybe there could be a Geesuit version of, say, the Feli Gatestrider skin. Just my 2 cent opinion. ;)
I believe it is a toggle from the one skin to a default Geesuit skin. Having a different version of each toggled skin, although preferable, is a lot of work and cost. Perhaps that could be a post launch goal.
 
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I believe it is a toggle from the one skin to a default Geesuit skin. Having a different version of each toggled skin, although preferable, is a lot of work and cost. Perhaps that could be a post launch goal.
I wonder if it would be possible to have a way for players to set a 'fallback skin' that gets shown to anyone with the original turned off.
 
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I wonder if it would be possible to have a way for players to set a 'fallback skin' that gets shown to anyone with the original turned off.
If I read this right, you are suggesting that Player A can set a default skin which will be shown to Player B if Player B turns off NSFW skins.

The only issue with this is that by doing so, you give players the agency to control what others see. With this option, players can effectively 'troll' others by setting a NSFW skin as the default outfit, which beats the purpose of the toggle.

The whole purpose of having a default outfit is so that others can completely avoid seeing any NSFW outfit, if they so choose. When you give players control over what others see, you effectively are trusting them to make the right decision, which unfortunately, is a risk. It shouldn't be a discussion that individuals be respectful to others preferences, but it doesn't always work out that way.
 
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If I read this right, you are suggesting that Player A can set a default skin which will be shown to Player B if Player B turns off NSFW skins.
That sounds strange. I would think that the person doing the filtering would see a fallback skin. My thoughts were that for an example the Feli skin would have two designs.. one NSFW and another that is a SFW , and if I flip The Switch I see the SFW skin, flip It again and I see ther NSFW skin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Me, I just don't want my wife to catch me playing thinking it's porn. But obviously WoW mages can get pretty NSFW so there's that.. :D

Hmm.. my forum piggy bank is getting empty, been giving out 2-cents everywhere I go. :D
 

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If I read this right, you are suggesting that Player A can set a default skin which will be shown to Player B if Player B turns off NSFW skins.

The only issue with this is that by doing so, you give players the agency to control what others see. With this option, players can effectively 'troll' others by setting a NSFW skin as the default outfit, which beats the purpose of the toggle.

The whole purpose of having a default outfit is so that others can completely avoid seeing any NSFW outfit, if they so choose. When you give players control over what others see, you effectively are trusting them to make the right decision, which unfortunately, is a risk. It shouldn't be a discussion that individuals be respectful to others preferences, but it doesn't always work out that way.

You triggered at thought for this. Two things that won't work, but if there is a road to follow on this for smarter people than me, that's my intent.

1: can the skins be treated like a Steam Workshop download? This would give people personal control over which they see and don't. Then have a defaulted RNG of what they have in their files to be seen?

2: memory due to having posted something about JK2 Outcast recently. In that game was the same as option 1:, download and have the skin in your files. If another player has it on, it would show it correctly. If you don't have the custom skin, you would automatically see a default for a skin from the main game files.
 

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That sounds strange. I would think that the person doing the filtering would see a fallback skin. My thoughts were that for an example the Feli skin would have two designs.. one NSFW and another that is a SFW , and if I flip The Switch I see the SFW skin, flip It again and I see ther NSFW skin.
That would be too much work, having two variants of each skin. We already have about 20 player character skins, and more are in the works. Getting SFW variants for every single one would be cumbersome.

Besides, SFW is subjective. An artist can never define the threshold for SFW. It is a lot easier to have a single default skin for everyone that doesn't want to see the 'flavor' skins.


1: can the skins be treated like a Steam Workshop download? This would give people personal control over which they see and don't. Then have a defaulted RNG of what they have in their files to be seen?

2: memory due to having posted something about JK2 Outcast recently. In that game was the same as option 1:, download and have the skin in your files. If another player has it on, it would show it correctly. If you don't have the custom skin, you would automatically see a default for a skin from the main game files.
Grummz has mentioned several times that he intends to have the option of muting individual skins, as well as the option to mute a general theme. This gives the player the option to pick and choose the skins they want to see, in-game.