And that is just not true, seamlessness (it's it a word?) does come with a set of problems that make it harder to impement and in some cases cost inefficient but there's just no way that the client hardwere is the bottleneck. (supposing you aren't using a wooden pc ofc)
https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/LevelStreaming/
https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/LevelStreaming/
I didn't say the players computer was the problem. It still needs to load from the server somehow (npcs/ai pathing/etc/etc.) and that's on the companies end of things in game design. I'm just gonna use FireFall as an example but they were not able to achieve seamless worlds. Why is that?
http://forums.firefall.com/communit...-technical-limitations.2259721/#post-34694221
http://forums.firefall.com/communit...see-dredge-again.2199321/page-7#post-33902621
Nice link, so why hasn't this been used in any games anywhere before?
http://forums.firefall.com/communit...-technical-limitations.2259721/#post-34694221
http://forums.firefall.com/communit...see-dredge-again.2199321/page-7#post-33902621
Nice link, so why hasn't this been used in any games anywhere before?
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first, you told him to build a computer that could handle that so i told you that computers already can handle that not that it was very competitive for mmos.
Second firefall runs did run on offset not on unreal, so odds are that it simply didn't have support for it.
Third who told you that it's not being used? there are a TON of games that run on it from WoW to gta/infamous/saint's row, it's just that with maps hand crafted and limited by budjet/manpower you're bound to hit the edges, seamless is NOT a synonim of procedurally generated, and 3d mesh procedural generation is more complex than voxel grid procedural generation in order of magnitudes and you've still got to account for a load of weird edge cases that with voxels simply don't happen, so for "high definition" games it's not really been applied but it's being pushed forward with upcoming new titles like rust, no man's sky and dual universe (i think this one will be a massive fail thought the devs lack even a basic understanding of human nature)
Second firefall runs did run on offset not on unreal, so odds are that it simply didn't have support for it.
Third who told you that it's not being used? there are a TON of games that run on it from WoW to gta/infamous/saint's row, it's just that with maps hand crafted and limited by budjet/manpower you're bound to hit the edges, seamless is NOT a synonim of procedurally generated, and 3d mesh procedural generation is more complex than voxel grid procedural generation in order of magnitudes and you've still got to account for a load of weird edge cases that with voxels simply don't happen, so for "high definition" games it's not really been applied but it's being pushed forward with upcoming new titles like rust, no man's sky and dual universe (i think this one will be a massive fail thought the devs lack even a basic understanding of human nature)
It was an obvious reference for him to build a supercomputer for the engine/servers to run the game in a seamless environment because he dislikes loading screens....
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Tilesets can work pretty well provided they're done right, though that style of terrain reuse combined with the setting is giving me pretty strong PSO vibes. Not bad vibes to have, to be totally honest.
I also vastly prefer repeating dev crafted areas to having to deal with a big empty box or a randomly generated land blob. Allows for better encounter construction. That's just me though
My only concern is the implication you made in your previous post about dropping terraforming machines. Will this be player driven then? I can't help but feel as though there should be some level of dev centric content gating beyond that. Like, say you have a planet where one of the unlocked zones is a jungle. If players can unlock other areas themselves at any point, given enough time and effort they could unlock spots all over the planet, and if the plan was to have a new volcano area and those assets aren't done yet, you now have to pave over what could be someone's favourite jungle zone or save it for another planet
Just an example, and ultimately irrelevant if I misunderstood the process
I also vastly prefer repeating dev crafted areas to having to deal with a big empty box or a randomly generated land blob. Allows for better encounter construction. That's just me though
My only concern is the implication you made in your previous post about dropping terraforming machines. Will this be player driven then? I can't help but feel as though there should be some level of dev centric content gating beyond that. Like, say you have a planet where one of the unlocked zones is a jungle. If players can unlock other areas themselves at any point, given enough time and effort they could unlock spots all over the planet, and if the plan was to have a new volcano area and those assets aren't done yet, you now have to pave over what could be someone's favourite jungle zone or save it for another planet
Just an example, and ultimately irrelevant if I misunderstood the process
But they are open world, you don't load into a new zone seamlessly.
Those aren't seamless, they have walls on the outer edges and they aren't massive. Those are open world games with one singular area you are stuck inside. Seamless means to go from one zone to the next without a loading screen between them that takes the player out of immersion.
Those aren't seamless, they have walls on the outer edges and they aren't massive. Those are open world games with one singular area you are stuck inside. Seamless means to go from one zone to the next without a loading screen between them that takes the player out of immersion.
I could see a mech type race concept within the world of ember where mech pilots could race
or blast their foes in an area/arena. Having the chance to earn upgrades or even currency helps to customize/improve the mech even make an additional mech for one for your army buddies.
There could be A.I racing along side and the occassional surprise gm as a race mech pilot where all mech racers need to destroy it before it crosses the line to earn bonus points etc etc
It would be like a clash of super mario kart with strike suit zero, and armored core 4a
or blast their foes in an area/arena. Having the chance to earn upgrades or even currency helps to customize/improve the mech even make an additional mech for one for your army buddies.
There could be A.I racing along side and the occassional surprise gm as a race mech pilot where all mech racers need to destroy it before it crosses the line to earn bonus points etc etc
It would be like a clash of super mario kart with strike suit zero, and armored core 4a
When I played Vanguard: Saga of Hero's the game had 3 massive continents, each of which were separated into "chunks". While there was a loading screen between each continent, each one was itself a seamless world. The chunks were 1km on a side and you could simply walk between them with only a bit of visual stutter. There was no loading screen, just that anything not in your chunk would be rendered at an extremely reduced level. This is from a game that is so old it is already closed down...
Here is a picture of one 12km x 9km contiguous continent with the chunks visibly shown:
Here is a picture of one 12km x 9km contiguous continent with the chunks visibly shown:
Actually Firefall did have support for it. They modified the offset engine to be capable of it. In fact they used it a the time. The problem was that all the other systems could not keep up with it. The AI server especially which got throttled the more and more AI it had to spawn. They had to limit the size of the zones and cap the amount of players in a given shard in order to make everything work.