Ok so there we have it. They do exist. That was my point all along.
But then you say they don't care about their projection on others, ok. Interesting.
Earlier in this thread, didn't you say something like "if people don't like the skins in the game they can just not play"?, and "if parents don't want their kids to play a game they should just not let them play"
So why is "if people don't like the toggle aspect they can just not play" any different?
Ok.
BUT to be fair, speaking from a purely mathematical/statistics context: we don't have any reliable metrics for gamers as a whole on an issue like this because it hasn't been brought up to them. Speculation is not data. We can only infer what it would be based on how other personal toggle features have done, and even that only takes us so far.
In reality, it's only the portion of the EM-8er fanbase who noticed, and then only the few who have spoken up about it so far. Out of that sample group who have spoken up, most are fine with it or even for it. Very few have made any statement against it. Again, speculation about what people might say if they did speak is not data. We can't do anything with that.
Think about what you just said.
You could make that same blanket argument against any new feature, but by itself it holds no value.
Every feature (mechanic and genre) that is common now, was once brand new and never before seen.
For every new feature it's the same story.
The industry survived without it for a while, sometimes years, sometimes decades, and then it got created. Someone somewhere did it for the first time, then it was no longer new.
If you want to stop the creation of a new feature, of any kind, what you have to provide is a reason to think that enough people won't like it, that it would limit the games success. BUT by your own argument, you think it's half and half on either side, and that most people won't care much.
Do what is best for your own happiness.
Where do I say "if you don't like it don't play it"?
If I have said that then there must've been a misunderstanding along the way.
Parents should take more responsibility, yes. I see parents at the supermarket putting iPads in front of their kids while grocery shopping to keep them quiet instead of doing their parenting and being active with the kids. A screen is the solution to a lot of parents and that's F'ed up imho.
If a parent can't check ESRB/PEGI ratings on the games they buy for their kids then it's a messed up world... Oh, but they don't. There's 10yo playing GTA even tho it's an 18+ game, same goes for a plethora of games out there, parents just don't bother and even if they do bother, if the kid is determined to play that game they're gonna find ways to play it anyway... So whatever obstacles you throw around at the rest of us, the only ones that'll suffer is the ones you didn't intend to suffer.
If the kids managed to bypass parental control, if the kids managed to bypass the age restrictions to buy they game, if the kids managed to bypass the age restrictions during account creation, if the kids managed to bypass age restrictions during account sign-in... What makes you think they won't bypass a button in the game settings? That is outrageous!
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
You could as well have made a proper survey to add this button further down the road when you have more people/data to rely on, during Beta for example. You're talking to me about statistics, how come your statistical analysis to add this button is more accurate than mine when you don't have accurate data to prove your own points?
You told me you had to make a hard turn to one side or the other, that tells me the validity of the discussions and arguments at the time was closer to 50/50 than 80/20, so why does Crixa at this point in time when it hasn't been a major issue in other games before decide to address a non-issue during early pre-alpha... It doesn't make sense.
At the time, and even today, we still don't have our paid and "overly-sexy" skins visible in the demos, which means it has not yet been an issue where you need to start covering skins up... Literally creating a solution to a problem that does not exist.
What I have done is speaking from my own perspective, from another developer's perspective, from my friend's perspectives, and literally another community's perspective since I openly asked how they'd react to a button that turns off cosmetics for other players unwillingly. They all say the same, NO, unless it's about performance, and I agree.
I don't want to stop creation of new features, but I want to stop new solutions to problems that don't exist. Crixa is not a nanny.
My own happiness says NO to Em8er, until Grummz withdraws his stance during next CC and address this "problem" of un-immersive skins when it's an actual problem and make a proper survey, preferably during a Beta phase when there's enough people to give a valid result.
But until then, until proven to be wanted, don't even pretend you're gonna add it.
