Concerned about P2W

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You might want to examine my post a little more closely. I said nothing about the subject in question. I made a general reminder about the REALITY that far too many people forget. That being that games (and just about anything else) cost time/talent and hence
money. If Grummz could make a better living with less effort doing
something else that he likes/loves, he'd be a fool to waste his time and talent on the game. Especially given the hysterics that some people engage in. When ever the subject of money in games comes
up. Then we'd all be out of luck. Fortunately for us, he continues to
invest his time/talent and money in this project.

Make no mistake, many (if not most) game companies these days
are WAY overboard in their quest for money. That's why I mentioned
Activision and EA. But even those pale in comparison to the daily
routine of the typical Asian games. The clash between the East and the West on this subject has left a lot of western players shell shocked, and trigger happy.

Given past experience, I'm willing to give Grummz the benefit of the doubt. As I said, I'd be perfectly fine with a buy to play model, with a
monthly subscription. Cosmetics would be another possibility to
help support the game.

At the end of the day, its all about enjoying the game. If I enjoy a game, I insist on supporting it. That's one of the reasons I hate the
so called Free to Play model. Its inherently dishonest, and far too
easy to abuse. Everyone wants a slice of that Sweet Cash Shop
Pie... Until you end up with entire generations of players who are
both entitled and bitter. Fortunately, I can't see Grummz going down
that path. Lets wait to see what he has in mind. Before we break out
the pitchforks and torches and storm his castle... :)
I don't care who runs the company, I don't care who makes the game. What I care about is how the game is made, how it makes its sales, and how badly the player/customer gets screwed over in the end. It could be Joe Biden, it could be my brother, it could be my neighbor... I still don't care who makes the game as long as it's a good game, making money from good sales with ethical and moral standards towards its players/customers.
From what it looks like, Grummz has some higher standards than most, but that doesn't make him perfect, and from what I gathered out of his description of how he and the community suggested the claims would be "paid content", I'm putting my foot down and says NO!

And just because Free 2 Play games are easily abused doesn't mean Buy 2 Play isn't... Grummz and the community were just about to do just that by suggesting part of the game I've already paid for in full won't be available unless I pay more.
Thus why I prefer Free 2 Play because I have on obligation to play in order to make my money worth.
Path of Exile is a perfect example of lesser abusive marketing, and I think ever other game publisher has something to learn from GGG. I have no strings attached to my spendings in that game, haven't played for over a year but I know I will return at some point, and whenever I do I'll know everything I've invested my money in is still there, the game doesn't lock me out from content for being a free player either... The entire game is at my disposal regardless of my economical situation.

We also have to remind everyone that not all can actually afford the fee of entry, namely Buy 2 Play, which already at that point is in many cases an obstacle, preventing people and fans from being able to play... Which is bad. I don't care if the other players pay or don't pay to play the game, I just know more players = more fun.

I'm sure there are many benefits for putting the Buy2Play tag on games, but I feel there's more positive points to lay out on the table for Free2Play... The only negative point people have when it comes to Free2Play is that most games with this tag has abusive marketing, which is true but still the only point most ppl make. I can however bring up multiple negative points about Buy2Play, including abusive marketing.

Ey, my torches and pitchforks is out 24/7 hunting for this kind of stuff... If I smell bad marketing I'm entering attack formation right away, I leave no room for such things to nest in.
 

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I don't care who runs the company, I don't care who makes the game.
I care because if it was a Squirrel then things would be more nuts :O


that not all can actually afford the fee of entry, namely Buy 2 Play, which already at that point is in many cases an obstacle, preventing people and fans from being able to play
I have noticed some people are willing to spend money on alcohol and cigarettes and other unwanted things at times. They say that they cannot afford it which i understand but if that was swapped for saving something perhaps there is money for the other thing to do?

Guess it isn't that simple because this is also how much someone earns and paying bills so on and so on. As an example i decided to sell my old bikes because i hardly used this and to get some money so now only have my main bike.

Currently with my small part time job, i am keeping optimistic to get another job soon especially with cost of living going up. That way i can manage to continue paying for the gym membership / hall to play sports especially in the winter etc.

he only negative point people have when it comes to Free2Play is that most games with this tag has abusive marketing
There may be more opportunities for bots/hackers and trolls to join?
 
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